Support for "real" desktops on NetBSD is somewhat limited and also scattershot. Part of the reason for this is that most of the desktops are not especially well engineered, and they contain poorly designed infrastructure components that interact incestuously with system components that are specific to and/or make sense only on Linux. Providing the interfaces these infrastructure components wish to talk to is a large job, and Linux churn being what it is, such interfaces are usually moving targets anyway. Reimplementing them for NetBSD is also a large job and often presupposes things that aren't true or would require that NetBSD adopt system-level design decisions that we don't want.

Rather than chase after Linux compatibility, we are better off designing the system layer and infrastructure components ourselves. It is easier to place poorly conceived interfaces on top of a solid design than to reimplement a poorly conceived design. Furthermore, if we can manage to do a few things right we should be able to get at least some uptake for them.

The purpose of this project, per se, is not to implement any particular piece of infrastructure. It is to identify pieces of infrastructure that the desktop software stacks need from the operating system, or provide themselves but ought to get from the operating system, figure out solid designs that are compatible with Unix and traditional Unix values, and generate project descriptions for them in order to get them written and deployed.

For example, GNOME and KDE rely heavily on dbus for sending notifications around. While dbus itself is a more or less terrible piece of software that completely fails to match the traditional Unix model (rather than doing one thing well, it does several things at once, pretty much all badly) it is used by GNOME and KDE because there are things a desktop needs to do that require sending messages around. We need a transport for such messages; not a reimplementation of dbus, but a solid and well-conceived way of sending notices around among running processes.

Note that one of the other things dbus does is start services up; we already have inetd for that, but it's possible that inetd could use some strengthening in order to be suitable for the purpose. It will probably also need to be taught about whatever message scheme we come up with. And we might want to e.g. set up a method for starting per-user inetd at login time.

(A third thing dbus does is serve as an RPC library. For this we already have XDR, but XDR sucks; it may be that in order to support existing applications we want a new RPC library that's more or less compatible with the RPC library parts of dbus. Or that may not be feasible.)

This is, however, just one of the more obvious items that arises.

Your goal working on this project is to find more. Please edit this page and make a list, and add some discussion/exposition of each issue and possible solutions. Ones that become fleshed out enough can be moved to their own project pages.

Perhaps it's worth considering the Lumina desktop environment from PC-BSD.
Comment by J. Lewis Wednesday afternoon, April 8th, 2015
Agreed. And Lumina doesn't rely on dbus.
Comment by jaypatelani terribly early Thursday morning, February 23rd, 2017
Looks like Lumina is not available in package source any more
Comment by rong1611 late Monday night, January 29th, 2019


A lumina package is present in pkgsrc-wip as wip/lumina.

Comment by leot mid-morning Tuesday, January 29th, 2019
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