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   # Attendees
   * Calum
   * Youri
   * `abs`
   * `justin`
   * `jaapb`
   * `alnsn`
   * Sevan
   * `bsiegert`
   * `mlelstv`
   * `tron`
   * `spz`
   * `prlw1`
   * `wiedi`
   * ???
   * `sborrill`
   * `morr`
 # Saturday  # Saturday
 ## Benny Siegert: "Bulktracker"  ## Benny Siegert: "BulkTracker"
 * [Bulktracker](http://bulktracker.appspot.com) is WIP to parse  * [BulkTracker](http://bulktracker.appspot.com) is WIP to parse
   `pkgsrc-bulk` reports and present them in an organized way    `pkgsrc-bulk` reports and present them in an organized way
 * Uses lots of trendy stuff:  * Uses lots of trendy stuff:
     * Google App Engine      * Google App Engine
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     * side comment: pkgsrc is missing some trendy stuff      * side comment: pkgsrc is missing some trendy stuff
 * [Source code](http://github.com/bsiegert/bulktracker)  * [Source code](http://github.com/bsiegert/bulktracker)
   ## Side discussion with Youri and Calum
   * how can we induce people to choose pkgsrc over Homebrew?
       * most people are looking for an OS-specific package manager
       * they don't realize they should look for cross-platform
       * I've learned that I should
       * we need to attract OS X users on their own terms
           * what if we managed /Applications, from source or not?
       * likewise for other platforms
       * what if we branded pkgsrc differently for each platform?
       * also concentrate on binary package experience
       * `pkgin` is a real nice user experience
   * how are people finding their OS X binary packages?
       * screenshots they post on [/r/unixporn](http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn)
   ## Lightning talks
   ### David Brownlee: "Pretty tabular data without much effort"
   * jQuery
   * [example](http://www.netbsd.org/~wiz/perl.html)
   * see also <http://sync.absd.org/www>
   ### Youri Mouton: pkgsrc for new developers
   * used NetBSD and `pkgin` without knowing what pkgsrc was
   * saw `pkgin` supported on other OSes (e.g., Minix)
   * and OS X (a main OS he uses)
   * started manually making packages for `pkgin`, not realizing
   * _then_ understood it was pkgsrc being used to make packages
   * a few months doing bulk builds
   * there isn't a tutorial on how to start as a pkgsrc developer
   * submitted ports to pkgsrc-wip
   * people usually find MacPorts, Homebrew, Fink, and _then_ maybe `pkgin`
   * this is too bad, they ought to be finding us
   * Youri and Calum's project: <http://saveosx.org>
       * they're doing gpg-signed packages
   * people ask "where can I find documentation" and there isn't a great answer
   * writing clear, clean docs for new users and developers would be great
   * we all think jperkin's writeups and docs on this are terrific
       * can we have them?
   * tron: bootstrap experience for MacPorts may be nicer
       * schmonz: should be possible to build a Mac `.pkg` from bootstrap
   * abs: three target demographics:
       * use binary packages
       * build from source, use options, don't want to fix things
       * developers
   * this underscores the need for user-editable wiki
   * design patterns for pkgsrc: e.g., how to fetch from a certain git commit
   * hey, let's take some time as a group and merge `pkgsrc.org` into
   ### Jaap Boender: OCaml
   ### Matthias Scheler: world's best ISP
   ## Me: "pkgsrc design ideas"
 # Sunday  # Sunday
 [[!meta title="pkgsrcCon 2014: notes and scratchings"]]  [[!meta title="pkgsrcCon 2014: notes and scratchings"]]

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