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    1: ## Requirements
    2: 
    3: A list of requirements for a possible replacement for CVS as repo software for NetBSD and pkgsrc so we don't keep starting over listing these (and forgetting half) all of the time:
    4: 
    5: - the license would be nice to be BSDish, must be open source and free to use
    6: - the software should be includeable in NetBSD base without too much excess baggage
    7: - it should be possible to do development on old or small hardware
    8: - it must support automated updating of source trees
    9: - it must support branches
   10: - there should be a conversion for the present history (that actually works)
   11: - the resulting repository must not break easily
   12: - the software should be reasonably mature and reliable
   13: - checkout of a pkgsrc tree must be feasible on a 32MB system
   14: - checkout of a stable pkgsrc tree and then updating select package subdirs to the latest version of the main branch should be possible
   15: - lasting removal of legally tainted code must be possible
   16: 
   17: Please add/correct.
   18: 
   19: ***
   20: 
   21: ## Experiences in using the software
   22: 
   23: ### Experiences with Fossil
   24: 
   25: #### Aleksej Saushev (asau)
   26: 
   27: I started using it before conversion tool were available
   28: (basically it isn't available yet, to my knowledge Joerg is working on it),
   29: in addition I wanted to start as soon as possible
   30: and to try operation with no conversion tool available.
   31: Thus I've tried to simulate working with "vendor branches".
   32: 
   33: For now Fossil lacks some essential features and has other severe problems:
   34: 
   35: 1. Many operations require javascript-capable web browser.
   36: 1. No support for vendor branches.
   37: * Redundant to "There's no support for importing vendor source"?
   38: * No, it is different. I would import manually, if only some support were there.
   39: 1. It is impossible to merge between trees growing from the very root.
   40: The initial commit is too special, this prevents using these trees for vendor branches.
   41: * Fixed in [4e3cd6ce4e].
   42: * 2010-11-08, not in pkgsrc.
   43: 1. There's no support for importing vendor source,
   44: even "addremove" command isn't in trunk at the time of writing.
   45: * It has been merged to trunk and is part of the pkgsrc version.
   46: * No, it isn't part of pkgsrc version at the moment, TIAS.
   47: * Sorry, you are right. Merged to trunk in [ceab53718f].
   48: 1. Merge state sticks. You can't undo it.
   49: * Not sure what you mean, but "revert" resets the merge state since [d13054ce84].
   50: * This is quite recent (late October) fix, I didn't check it.
   51: 1. You can't amend your source when you've just merged, you are forced to commit after merge.
   52: * To clarify, the merge has to be committed first, no separate commits are possible from the checkout before that.
   53: * In practice this makes _critical_ defect in combination of "fossil diff" inability to generate difference for added files.
   54: 1. You can't tune diff command to ignore RCS keywords.
   55: * Since RCS keywords are not really a native command, it is no surprise. An external diff program can be used for this purpose though.
   56: * Since there's no external diff program that supports it, it is really not quite easy.
   57: 1. You can't diff single file between two given versions.
   58: * diff --from version1 --to version2 path/to/file
   59: * That didn't work, and I'm not sure it works now. It used to ignore path-to-file argument. (It used to bail out when both "--from" and "--to" were used.)
   60: 1. There's no way to change commit messages.
   61: * easily done via ui: select a commit and under "Other Links" you can find "Edit" (given the necessary permissions).
   62: * How? It should be possible via command line nevertheless.
   63: 1. There's no documented way to select commit messages of current branch, or branch by given commit id.
   64: Or there's a bug preventing it.
   65: * fossil info <commitid>
   66: * This isn't about "info" command, it is about "timeline"
   67: --> Please clarify what you mean.
   68: * BTW, this command doesn't support "-R" flag, perhaps you have to check the source out to use it.
   69: 1. Commands are under-documented, usage messages don't list many available options.
   70: This applies to trunk at least, there's a branch that states documentation as its goal.
   71: 1. There's no convenient way to look at commit contents: files affected, diff.
   72: * fossil ui and use a web browser
   73: * We don't have web browser in base system, this information should be accessible with command line.
   74: 
   75: 
   76: Some of above problems are reported.
   77: 
   78: Note, all problems above are usability problems, I didn't explore e.g. scalability,
   79: Joerg did and had problems, but this is another story.
   80: 
   81: ### Experiences with git
   82: 
   83: Experience with the imported repositories on morden:
   84: 
   85: - no problem in principle with the smaller modules like othersrc or htdocs (CVS tags are one off but that is expected)
   86: - the large repos are really fragile, and gits idea of how to fix a broken repo seems to be to retrieve a copy from someone/somewhere that happens to not be broken
   87: 
   88: ### Experiences with Subversion
   89: 
   90: please fill in
   91: 
   92: ### Experiences with Bazaar
   93: 
   94: #### Jonathan Perkin (sketch)
   95: 
   96: We use bzr at work (MySQL), and while it has a number of problems, it does make dev work easy.
   97: 
   98: The Good
   99: 
  100: * easy to use
  101: * shared repositories keep local disk usage down
  102: * commercial backing (Canonical)
  103: * cross-platform (works on Windows)
  104: * numerous GUI available
  105: 
  106: The Bad:
  107: 
  108: * slow
  109: * requires python
  110: 
  111: The Ugly:
  112: 
  113: * can be really slow
  114: * changing repository formats is a hassle
  115: 
  116: A basic example workflow
  117: 
  118: <pre>
  119: # create a local shared repository. all objects are held in a .bzr sub-directory, with branches essentially a lightweight checkout
  120: $ bzr init-repo bzr
  121: $ cd bzr
  122: 
  123: # fetch HEAD, will take a long time, depending on connectivity
  124: $ bzr branch bzr+ssh://bzr.netbsd.org/netbsd-trunk
  125: 
  126: # fetch netbsd-5, as we already have the majority of the code in netbsd-trunk (and therefore .bzr), this takes a fraction of the time
  127: $ bzr branch bzr+ssh://bzr.netbsd.org//netbsd-5
  128: 
  129: # ok, let's do some dev work
  130: $ bzr branch netbsd-trunk netbsd-trunk-sketch-fix-msk
  131: $ cd netbsd-trunk-sketch-fix-msk; hack hack hack
  132: 
  133: # the usual cycle of hack/commit/merge
  134: $ bzr diff # show uncommitted diffs
  135: $ bzr commit # commit to local clone
  136: $ bzr merge ../netbsd-trunk # update clone to latest local trunk, OR
  137: $ bzr merge bzr+ssh://bzr.netbsd.org/netbsd-trunk # merge directly from upstream
  138: 
  139: # publish our tree for others to review/hack on
  140: $ bzr push bzr+ssh://bzr.netbsd.org/netbsd-trunk-fix-msk
  141: 
  142: # got reviewed/tested, let's push it
  143: $ bzr merge bzr+ssh://bzr.netbsd.org/netbsd-trunk
  144: $ bzr missing bzr+ssh://bzr.netbsd.org/netbsd-trunk # show changeset differences
  145: $ bzr push bzr+ssh://bzr.netbsd.org/netbsd-trunk
  146: </pre>
  147: 
  148: I personally find this approach a lot more natural than git's way of managing branches itself inside a single working directory.
  149: 
  150: ***
  151: 
  152: ## Conversion 
  153: 
  154: ### fossil
  155: 
  156: We have a successful conversion from cvs to fossil since ~mid 2011, mostly thanks to the work of Jörg Sonnenberger.
  157: See [[github]] for more details.
  158: 
  159: ### git
  160: 
  161: We have a successful conversion to git via the fossil conversion; also, probably now a successful direct conversion via the tools by Eric S. Raymond.
  162: See [[github]] for more details.
  163: 
  164: ### hg
  165: 
  166: A conversion to hg has also been done, ask agc@

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